Posted by The_Meehan on May 02, 2002 at 22:21:05:
In Reply to: Re: hunter net cliches posted by daShrink on May 02, 2002 at 06:47:54:
: If a hunter was looking at the supe in question without Sight, I was under the impression that they would look just like any other person.
Well, as much as they could, yeah - a metis garou would still have problems.
: And unless the Messengers, for their own bizarre reasons, decide to *make* the hunter look
I don't think the reasons would have to be that bizarre, really. If the hunter goes on ignoring the supe's nature without doing *anything* to 'fix' it, the hunter isn't performing the mission the Heralds gave him. (And note : 'fix' does not necessarily mean kill.) The Heralds may not make an issue of it immediately - maybe there are more pressing needs, more dangerous supes. But eventually, no matter what, the hunter will be 'reminded' of the nature of the supe. And eventually, I imagine the Heralds would start being displeased.
: As for the impulses that arise from this knowledge, ... Merciful creeds would have much the same response; fixing what needs to be fixed, preserving what is already good.
Yes, probably. Of course, there are 6 other creeds, too; let's not limit ourselves to just the "Monster Huggers". :) Heck, even for the Merciful I would imagine it would prove problematic. Consider that Bookworm55 has the closest relationship to a supernatural in the published products; he's even a high Virtue Innocent. Frankly, I'd consider his relationship with Phaedra the best a hunter/supe relationship could be, realistically. And it did NOT end well.
: And the only reason they see it as *wrong* is that this is what the Messengers have decided, not the individuals. This brings us to the issue of whether or not a hunter, finding out that he has been a tool of the supernaturals, is willling to also be a tool for the Messengers, which I won't debate here right now.
Oh, why not? Let's hijack a thread.
Personally, I don't see how a Hunter really has a choice; the books make it fairly clear that ultimately, the activation of a Hunter's Edges is fully under the control of the Heralds. Will he, nill he, the Hunter's only choice is *how* he uses the Edges, not when, where, or even on whom.
(And considering how provocative some of those Edges (even for a Merciful) can be, it's a problem.)A Hunter may very well be disgusted with the Heralds and struggle against their control. But, ultimately, it's a doomed battle.
: : : all my family was killed in one swoop.
: On the contrary, IMO, it's lazy. ...
Good points, all. OTOH, it's still well within the Hunter guidelines (at least as a starting point), something most of the other twinkish cliches we're discussing are not.
: : : ... i pulled out my silver katana
: These stories remind me of those guys with fancy cars and no personalities. Sad.
See I have similar reactions - both to this, AND to the "lovey dovey supe" cliche above; the latter reminds me of those middle-aged women who still buy the "cute" plush toys and talk to their Chihuahuas or poodles in nothing but baby-talk.