Re: Reckoning: an accounting, as for things received or done

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: : : Probably. But violence, used capriciously, is also an easily exploitable tool placed in the hands of the less visible supernatural influences in the WoD, isn't it? : Yep. You pretty much hit the nail on the head there. Which is, of course, *why* there's more than one creed. If all the Messengers needed were muckin' big hammers, there'd be nothing but Waywards. Looking at it the other way, the existence of the Waywards implies that sometimes they *need* that muckin' big hammer. : : : (Come to think of it, there is no creed the biggest problem to be faced is the willingness of the general population of unimbued to cling to what is safe and comfortable : I don't know, the Judges' "Expose" edge does this, as do certain of the Vision edges, but it's a hard thing to both portray (and change). : : : And your prejudices are showing here. Since when is a peace overture made from an armchair? : A hit! A veritable hit! : : And if we take out the automatic assumption that action = violence, : Sorry, about that. I *tried* to combat this, by separating the "Call to Violence" and "Call to Action" categories (and you'll note that HbM falls in the latter), but it slipped back in when I tried to simplify things for discussion. : : "You are the Reckoning" is an interesting phrase, and one that I have luckily never associated in RL with an automatic call to do something violent. : Huh. Reckoning, as in "Day of...", has always implied an almost vengeful judgement to me, I don't know why. I'll think on it, but acknowledge the bias. : As for your examples, I'm not sure they're both of equal weight; recidivism would be a major issue for the first, something that the second prevents. OTOH, the potential long-term gain from the first, is much higher than the second. It's all an estimate of how much the long-term benefit is worth the short-term risk. : : As for "Inherit the Earth," I believe the borrowed phrase, in it's entirety, is "the meek will inherit the earth." : Yes, indeed. On the other hand, we *never* see the complete quote (that I recall), and "meek" isn't a very good descriptor of Waywards and Avengers. Also, Witness presents it almost as a command, more than a prediction. : : And as for "Take Back the Night," isn't that also borrowed, ... : Right, which is why HtR is listed as "Call to Action" (certainly implied by both phrases) rather than "Call to Violence" (implied by neither). : : Again, action is always violence? : No, you're quite right, it isn't. Of course, neither HbR nor HbI's back cover material presents a "Call To Action" phrase. : On a more sophmoric debate point, Action *may* always be _violent_, but that really isn't germane to the point you're making. Nor do I really feel like arguing the position. Part of the problem of posting first drafts. : : And I find the Mercy edges to be anything but cuddly and comforting; in psychological terms, they're pretty damned nasty. They just don't go "Boom!" in the traditional sense. : OK, I can see how Redeemers are (or could be) nasty. But Innocents?

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